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Gods active Force, by Vicky Gilpin

Gods active force?

Is the Holy spirit a Force or a person? Here’s the Watchtower (Henceforth WT,) argument…

 www.watchtower.org/e/200607a/article_01.htm

WT

  1. When Mary, the mother of Jesus, visited her cousin Elizabeth, the Bible says that the unborn child in Elizabeth’s womb leaped, “and Elizabeth was filled with Holy Spirit.” (Luke 1:41) Is it reasonable that a person would be “filled” with another person?

Can we expect God to conform to Human expectations? Just because we cannot explain or fully understand something about God, does not make it wrong. Do you fully understand the virgin birth? Or know Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead? No, we cannot make The Holy God of the Universe fit into a Man shaped mold, nor should we.

WT

  1. When John the Baptizer spoke to his disciples about Jesus as the one who would succeed him, John said: “I, for my part, baptize you with water . . ., but the one coming after me is stronger than I am, whose sandals I am not fit to take off. That one will baptize you people with Holy Spirit.” (Matthew 3:11) John could hardly have been referring to the holy spirit as a person when he spoke of baptizing people with it.

This argument is again using Human Logic to explain God. What if I were to say that God could not be eternal because that Just isn’t feasible? That would be a bit silly wouldn’t it?

WT

  1. While visiting a Roman army officer and his family, the apostle Peter spoke of Jesus as having been anointed by God “with holy spirit and power.” (Acts 10:38) Shortly afterward, “the holy spirit fell upon” the army officer’s household. The account says that many were amazed “because the free gift of the holy spirit was being poured out also upon people of the nations.” (Acts 10:44, 45) Here again, the terms used are inconsistent with the idea of the holy spirit being a person.

Here again, the WT is putting expectations of Human attributes onto the Holy Spirit. The argument that the Holy spirit does not behave as we do, is not a valid argument against personification.

WT also goes on to say……

It is not unusual for God’s Word to personify things that are not a person. These include wisdom, discernment, sin, death, and undeserved kindness. (Proverbs 8:1–9:6; Romans 5:14, 17, 21; 6:12) Jesus himself said that “wisdom is proved righteous by all its children,” or its good results. (Luke 7:35) Clearly, wisdom is not a person that has literal children! Likewise, the holy spirit is not a person simply because in some instances it is personified.

It is true to say that the Bible does say that wisdom calls out, discernment calls forth.

Does the fact that some THINGS, are personified, mean then that when the Holy Spirit is spoken of in this way, we are to ASSUME, that the author is simply being poetic?

What does the Bible actually say about the Holy Spirit, and can we simply dismiss it as “the author was being poetic?”

The WBTS interprets the bible through the light of it’s own theology, If they don’t like what the Bible says they simply put a different spin on it, and say that their interpretation is correct. Dismissing What the Bible actually says to fit beliefs like, “the Holy Spirit isn’t a person” and “Jesus isn’t God!.

Our theology needs to be shaped by the Bible, not the Bible “interpreted” to fit out theology.

So how can we know the Holy Spirit is a person and not a force?

Romans 8:16(NASB)

16 The Spirit Himself TESTIFIES with our spirit that we are children of God,

Romans 8:26 (NASB)

26 In the same way the Spirit also HELPS our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself INTERCEDES for us with groanings too deep for words

Luke 12:12(NASB)

12 for the Holy Spirit will TEACH you in that very hour what you ought to say.”

Acts 13:2 (NASB)

2 While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, THE HOLY SPIRIT SAID, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I HAVE CALLED THEM.”

Luke 4:1

1 Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was LED around by the Spirit in the wilderness

Luke 4:18

18 “The spirit of the Lord is upon me,

because HE ANOINTED ME to preach the gospel to the poor.

HE HAS SENT ME to proclaim release to the captives,

And recovery of sight to the blind,

To set free those who are repressed,

Isaiah 63:10

10 But they rebelled

And GRIEVED His Holy Spirit;

Therefore He turned Himself to become their enemy,

He fought against them.

Grieved! That is upset, hurt the feelings of! The Holy Spirit feels emotion!

Acts 5:3-5

3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to LIE TO the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? 4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not [a]under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but )to GOD.” 5 And as he heard these words, Ananias fell down and breathed his last; and great fear came over all who heard of it.

If you’re a Jehovahs Witness, read that again! The Holy spirit can be lied to, because He is a person and as this verse points out He is God. ( If you don’t understand this Biblical teaching of the trinity and how it is possible for the Holy spirit to be God and yet Jesus to be God and the Farther to be God, yet there is One God. Then message me, I’d be happy to discuss this with you! )

 John 16:13-14

13 But when He, the SPIRIT OF TRUTH, comes, He will GUIDE you into all the truth; for HE WILL NOT SPEAK ON HIS OWN INITIATIVE, BUT WHATEVER HE HEARS, HE WILL SPEAK; AND HE WILL DISCLOSE TO YOU WHAT IS TO COME. 14 HE WILL GLORIFY ME, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.

In the WT website puts the idea is put across that the words He and Him are used simply as they’re in connection with masculine words in the Greek. Even if you were to take out He in the above passage and replace it with “it”, it would not make sense. “ It will not speak on its own initiative” ( Suggesting that it could speak on its own initiative, by the way!”) “But what it hears it will speak” and “ It will disclose to you what is to come”,  “It will Glorify Me” … How could “it” being a force and not a person, Glorify God? God could Glorify Himself, through His own Force, or power. But to say that his “force or power” will Glorify Him, is to suggest it has a will.

I could go on and on, one biggy…

1 Corinthians 3:16

16 Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

You are the Temple of God BECAUSE the Holy Spirit (who is God!) dwells in you!

I’ll leave you with this watchtower Quote which actually says, that if you were to read the Bible without the aid of the Watchtower Magazines, you would believe as the Christians do!!!

Hmm Interesting!

“From time to time, there have arisen from among the ranks of Jehovah’s people those, who, like the original Satan, have adopted an independent, faultfinding attitude… They say that it is sufficient to read the Bible exclusively, either alone or in small groups at home. But strangely, through such Bible reading, ‘they have reverted right back to the apostate doctrines that commentaries by Christendom’s clergy were teaching 100 years ago…

(Watchtower, Aug 15 1981).

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